Por lo que se ve el asunto es mas grave de lo que supone.
En Alemania hay abierta una investigación criminal contra BMW,por la cantidad de fallos en este sistema.
Un compañero del foro Vstrom ha encontrado esta información en la página de advriders.
Juzgad vosotros mismos.
Podeís leer el tema en este enlace,todo viene por un problema grave que tuvo nuestro compañero del foro, Guzzisti ,con su GS,
http://www.vstromclub.com/foro/viewtopic.php?t=2504
First I like to answer in detail a question that was asked a long time ago here: After the two incidents I brought the bike (which already got a new hydraulic unit and was tested then 100% ok) on 08/11/04 to my dealer. I just left it there. We did not talk about my strange behaviour. He called me after about one week and asked me what he should do with my bike. I answered him: "I don't know. But I won't ride it again!" He offered me a new BMW motorbike (without ABS) which I bought from him at a reduced priced. There is a detail I like to mention:
On 08/19/2004 12:11 I asked BMW Motorrad headquarters about security clearance papers for this bike (that was alredy repaired and 100% tested ok!). They declared to me on 08/20/2004 16:51 that the system is not unsecure or dangerous. I recall: I told my dealer that this system is totally flawed, dangerous and unsecure and therefore I won't ride this bike any more. There was no way for him to refuse taking the bike back. And he did.
Nearly one year passed by since that. We do now have confirmed reports about injured BMW riders caused by faults of these brakes. German TV will air this. I say: That injured rider wasn't necessary at all!
Second I am again crossing the line: I like to encourage riders here to write or fax their reports about *any* fault with the Integral Brakes to the German Federal Criminal Prosecutor. You may write about ABS failure (ABS not working), you may write about shifting to backup hydraulic brakes (residual brakes) for any reason and you may write about experiencing intermittent faults that may be caused by the stoppie protection mechanism or some other cause we don't know about. And you should definitly write about failures that were not indicated with a warning light.
The German Federal Criminal Prosecutor is investigating. This investigation may be translated as a pre-trial investigation. To make it simple we know a prosecutor, a defence counsel and judges. The first phase of a German criminal prosecution is pre-trial investigation to determine if there are grounds for a formal indictment. And that's exactly what's happening now. After that if a prosecutor determines that there is, the case is transferred to the appropriate German court.
Your detailled report should contain at least full Name, full adress, telephone and of course the BMW bike ID and all relevant infos.
Adress
Staatsanwaltschaft München I
AZ: 255 JS 205 338 / 05
Mrs. Staatsanwältin Bader
Linprunstraße 25
80335 München
Germany
FAX: +49-89-559-74-131
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CURIOUS CASE OF THE BMW SUPER-BRAKES THAT DIDN’T STOP THE BIKE
One of the top bikes on display at the NEC will be BMW’s Montauk, a beautiful 1200cc machine. Like the German manufacturer’s other flagship models it features power braking. Unfortunately, as I and a colleague discovered, the system is flawed.
When I tested the Montauk I crashed it into a fence. Kevin Ash, who writes for Motorcycle News, crashed another BMW with the same brakes into a wall. In both instances the power braking didn’t respond.
BMW has gone to great lengths developing a system that is supposed to make stopping easier by providing power assistance from the engine. When you press on the brakes a servo system multiplies the pressure you apply. But in certain — admittedly rare — circumstances the system is slow to cut in and you are left with the sensation of having no brakes at all.
My close shave happened when I was riding the Montauk — a cruiser similar to the bike Pierce Brosnan rode in the Bond film Tomorrow Never Dies — near Bondi Beach, Australia, earlier this year. The only thing that stopped me going over a cliff into the Pacific was a wooden fence. Bond survived a 200ft leap but I would not have. Ash crashed a BMW under almost identical circumstances while testing a new model.
Jeremy Bowdler, editor of Two Wheels, Australia’s bestselling motorcycling magazine, is also sceptical of the system. “BMW does have a problem and I suspect it goes deeper than they’ll admit,” he said. After testing the Montauk, Bowdler claimed: “What I see as the problem (with the brakes) is an intermittent fault I have experienced on several modern BMWs, not just the Montauk.”
BMW’s spokesman in the UK denied a fault. He also said there was always enough “residual braking” — back-up brakes that don’t need power — to stop the bike. At the same time the company has tacitly acknowledged the braking system could be improved. It has “significantly” strengthened the back-up brakes on its new R1200GS and K1200SThe company has also put a note in its owners’ manual emphasising that riders must go through a series of procedures after switching on the engine (involving releasing the brakes for long enough for the system to prime itself), especially when starting the bike on a gradient. But, as Ash pointed out, you shouldn’t have to consult a manual to find out how to use brakes.
Motorcyclist Magazine, the popular American publication, went a step further, saying: “BMW’s servo-assisted system is, we believe, a prime example of misguided technology creating more problems than it solves, muddling the connection between rider and road . . . All semblance of feel and feedback are gone, with no gain to compensate. Motorcycles do not need power brakes, at least not these power brakes.”
The Sunday Times~Nicholas Rufford
BMW LO ESTÁ OCULTANDO. ESTE MENSAJE DURO UNA HORA EN EL FORO ALEMÁN DE BMW.
GUZZISTI, ESTO ES IMPORTANTE. YO YA NO TENGO BMW YA NO QUIERO SABER NADA DE LA MARCA, ANTERIORMENTE, TUVE TRES. PERO QUIZA TU SI PUEDAS HACER ALGO. VE A LA PÁGINA DE ADVRIDER.COM LUEGO VE A GSPOT Y LUEGO BUSCA EL POST ABS ANTIBRAKE FAILLURE DURING RIDER. TIENE MAS DE MIL RESPUESTAS.
UN SALUDO.
En Alemania hay abierta una investigación criminal contra BMW,por la cantidad de fallos en este sistema.
Un compañero del foro Vstrom ha encontrado esta información en la página de advriders.
Juzgad vosotros mismos.
Podeís leer el tema en este enlace,todo viene por un problema grave que tuvo nuestro compañero del foro, Guzzisti ,con su GS,
http://www.vstromclub.com/foro/viewtopic.php?t=2504
First I like to answer in detail a question that was asked a long time ago here: After the two incidents I brought the bike (which already got a new hydraulic unit and was tested then 100% ok) on 08/11/04 to my dealer. I just left it there. We did not talk about my strange behaviour. He called me after about one week and asked me what he should do with my bike. I answered him: "I don't know. But I won't ride it again!" He offered me a new BMW motorbike (without ABS) which I bought from him at a reduced priced. There is a detail I like to mention:
On 08/19/2004 12:11 I asked BMW Motorrad headquarters about security clearance papers for this bike (that was alredy repaired and 100% tested ok!). They declared to me on 08/20/2004 16:51 that the system is not unsecure or dangerous. I recall: I told my dealer that this system is totally flawed, dangerous and unsecure and therefore I won't ride this bike any more. There was no way for him to refuse taking the bike back. And he did.
Nearly one year passed by since that. We do now have confirmed reports about injured BMW riders caused by faults of these brakes. German TV will air this. I say: That injured rider wasn't necessary at all!
Second I am again crossing the line: I like to encourage riders here to write or fax their reports about *any* fault with the Integral Brakes to the German Federal Criminal Prosecutor. You may write about ABS failure (ABS not working), you may write about shifting to backup hydraulic brakes (residual brakes) for any reason and you may write about experiencing intermittent faults that may be caused by the stoppie protection mechanism or some other cause we don't know about. And you should definitly write about failures that were not indicated with a warning light.
The German Federal Criminal Prosecutor is investigating. This investigation may be translated as a pre-trial investigation. To make it simple we know a prosecutor, a defence counsel and judges. The first phase of a German criminal prosecution is pre-trial investigation to determine if there are grounds for a formal indictment. And that's exactly what's happening now. After that if a prosecutor determines that there is, the case is transferred to the appropriate German court.
Your detailled report should contain at least full Name, full adress, telephone and of course the BMW bike ID and all relevant infos.
Adress
Staatsanwaltschaft München I
AZ: 255 JS 205 338 / 05
Mrs. Staatsanwältin Bader
Linprunstraße 25
80335 München
Germany
FAX: +49-89-559-74-131
------------------------------------------------------------------------
CURIOUS CASE OF THE BMW SUPER-BRAKES THAT DIDN’T STOP THE BIKE
One of the top bikes on display at the NEC will be BMW’s Montauk, a beautiful 1200cc machine. Like the German manufacturer’s other flagship models it features power braking. Unfortunately, as I and a colleague discovered, the system is flawed.
When I tested the Montauk I crashed it into a fence. Kevin Ash, who writes for Motorcycle News, crashed another BMW with the same brakes into a wall. In both instances the power braking didn’t respond.
BMW has gone to great lengths developing a system that is supposed to make stopping easier by providing power assistance from the engine. When you press on the brakes a servo system multiplies the pressure you apply. But in certain — admittedly rare — circumstances the system is slow to cut in and you are left with the sensation of having no brakes at all.
My close shave happened when I was riding the Montauk — a cruiser similar to the bike Pierce Brosnan rode in the Bond film Tomorrow Never Dies — near Bondi Beach, Australia, earlier this year. The only thing that stopped me going over a cliff into the Pacific was a wooden fence. Bond survived a 200ft leap but I would not have. Ash crashed a BMW under almost identical circumstances while testing a new model.
Jeremy Bowdler, editor of Two Wheels, Australia’s bestselling motorcycling magazine, is also sceptical of the system. “BMW does have a problem and I suspect it goes deeper than they’ll admit,” he said. After testing the Montauk, Bowdler claimed: “What I see as the problem (with the brakes) is an intermittent fault I have experienced on several modern BMWs, not just the Montauk.”
BMW’s spokesman in the UK denied a fault. He also said there was always enough “residual braking” — back-up brakes that don’t need power — to stop the bike. At the same time the company has tacitly acknowledged the braking system could be improved. It has “significantly” strengthened the back-up brakes on its new R1200GS and K1200SThe company has also put a note in its owners’ manual emphasising that riders must go through a series of procedures after switching on the engine (involving releasing the brakes for long enough for the system to prime itself), especially when starting the bike on a gradient. But, as Ash pointed out, you shouldn’t have to consult a manual to find out how to use brakes.
Motorcyclist Magazine, the popular American publication, went a step further, saying: “BMW’s servo-assisted system is, we believe, a prime example of misguided technology creating more problems than it solves, muddling the connection between rider and road . . . All semblance of feel and feedback are gone, with no gain to compensate. Motorcycles do not need power brakes, at least not these power brakes.”
The Sunday Times~Nicholas Rufford
BMW LO ESTÁ OCULTANDO. ESTE MENSAJE DURO UNA HORA EN EL FORO ALEMÁN DE BMW.
GUZZISTI, ESTO ES IMPORTANTE. YO YA NO TENGO BMW YA NO QUIERO SABER NADA DE LA MARCA, ANTERIORMENTE, TUVE TRES. PERO QUIZA TU SI PUEDAS HACER ALGO. VE A LA PÁGINA DE ADVRIDER.COM LUEGO VE A GSPOT Y LUEGO BUSCA EL POST ABS ANTIBRAKE FAILLURE DURING RIDER. TIENE MAS DE MIL RESPUESTAS.
UN SALUDO.
11.000 km y tres juegos de pastillas traseras? Este tio que pelicula nos esta contando? ???
(pero ya se sabe...qué sería BMW sin ruiditos)
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